13:32 EST


 

Havaalanı Takibi/Bilgisi


-veya-


 

Haberler & BaşlıklarJAL Dreamliner 787 has fuel leak

Back to Squawk list

JAL Dreamliner 787 has fuel leak

eklendi
 
For the second day in a row, a Japan Airlines B787 Dreamliner has a problem. A day after a fire was reported in one of JAL's Dreamliners, today there is report of a fuel leak on a different Dreamliner. (www.boston.com) Daha Fazlası...

Sort type: [Top] [Newest]


pmbell64
Pat Bell 6
racerman28
Kenneth Holland 10
I'm hearing they forgot to put on the gas cap.
AABABY
My Buick has a warning light for that.
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
Airplanes do not. They assume the pilot has done a walk around and the fueler has closed things up... Sometimes this is a false assumption. I once had to do a go around from close final because someone lost their fuel cap on take off. Even though rarely... it does happen.
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 5
It cant have a fuel leak....Boyd said it was the battery
JuliusThompson
There were two separate incidents at KBOS with JAL B777'2 on different days.
bovineone
Jeff Lawson 4
Amazingly, the JAL Dreamliner involved here is actually a different one than what had the battery fire at Boston yesterday.
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 4
oh gotcha, I'm an idiot......lol so both of their 78's are down?!?! oh geez
Moviela
Ric Wernicke 4
I am starting to think the problem is Boston.
blueterrain5
Braden Joe 3
Its not Boston, the reason this is happening in Boston is because these flights have been using the 787.

[This poster has been suspended.]

preacher1
preacher1 1
Maybe not to the visibilty points of the pax and news media like these did, but it will cost the Airlines and Airbus big $ on the wing fix and let's don't forget about the problems with the RR engines at first that nearly crashed one for Qantas.
kenty
steve kent 3
There is fix on the A380 wings underway now and I understand has not been hugely serious problem to fix although a bit time consuming. RR engines problems were due to a manufacturing problem on a very small component, admittedly did cost insurers and RR £90m in compensation to qantas. The 787 seems to have problems occurring with build quality which is very worrying especially with forthcoming production escalation.
preacher1
preacher1 2
I think I read somewhere that the wing problem was not going to be a big deal for right now; that it was just going to be inspect and and go on but come major time is when the downtime and real fix was going to happen and that they are making those changes on the new ones while still on the line. Hopefully, the 787's problems will get ironed out. I don't care who builds it. If it is new or a major mod, there will be bugs. The 787 did run behind and get rushed but so did the 380, trying to get AB a jump on the BIG market
leyland1671
@James801

Maybe so. But, how many Airbus planes have crashed over the years..........? I wonder what's worse! I just can't believe Boeiing would jeopardise its reputation on issues like fuel caps that come off. There must be other causes for that. Besides, every new product will show some imperfections that will be sorted out, be it an electric toothbrush or an airplane.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Actually it was a fuel cap; it was a sticking internal valve that let some fuel go to a vent valve, but it was seen and we are erring here on the side of caution. Could've happened on anything.

[This poster has been suspended.]

preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, it was designed to. 1 out shouldn't be a deal but that thing literally blew up and tore the bejesus out of that side. Qantas had 5 senior Captains in there for various reason, and I think they said that 1-2 were flying the plane and the others were running down checklist and alarms. Had they not all been in there, by their words, the outcome would have been a lot different.

[This poster has been suspended.]

preacher1
preacher1 1
I agree on that.LOL. I think these guys were actually chasing alarms and all; said a regular crew would have been overwhelmed.
kenty
steve kent 1
Yes true, it wasn't losing the engine it was the damage to the wing with associated piping and wiring that were damaged. It is extremely rare to have uncontained ejection from an engine because of the damage it can cause they are built to withstand that.. They had little control on flaps, the other engine and so many other sensors caused by damaged wiring. There is very good 45 min video on YouTube well worth watching.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Sioux City all over again except more folks and all lived.

[This poster has been suspended.]

preacher1
preacher1 2
Mommas are like that, yeah they are. I expect besides kissing the ground there was a pucker in that seat too.lol. If it ain't routine, that checklist don't mean much. Sometimes, if you can fly the plane, I have made a recovery before I could even get the checklist out and the recovery was nothin' like what the list said.lol

[This poster has been suspended.]

kenty
steve kent 2
Isn't it days like yours and the Qantas A380's Captain what all the training is about? On reflection, it must be rather pleasing on how you coped in the emergency and basically overcame fear and just flew the damn thing and got it down safely!!

[This poster has been suspended.]

preacher1
preacher1 2
My personal feeling is that the training is nice to have and to know what to do. You just hope that you never have to use it.lol
kenty
steve kent 2
Japan Airlines Co. (JAL) said Wednesday the cause of the fuel leak in its Boeing 787 Dreamliner at a US airport bound for Tokyo on the previous day is a malfunctioning valve.
"The valve on a pipe connecting the fuel tank in the aircraft's body with the left wing was open, and this caused fuel to spill out," JAL said. The fuel leak forced flight JL 007 with 181 passengers and 11 crew members to postpone takeoff.
The Boeing 787 Dreamliner was towed back to the gate after about 150 liters of jet fuel leaked when the plane was taxiing toward the runway for takeoff. All passengers temporarily disembarked and the aircraft eventually left for Tokyo after almost four hours. None of the passengers and crew on board was injured. JAL said it plans to inspect the aircraft further after it arrives in Tokyo's Narita Airport later in the day.
honzanl
honza nl 2
according to Boeing and the FAA the 787 was such a reliable and tested airplane that right from the start it got nearly unlimited ETOPS. Anyone with more than 2 working brain cells knew that was dangerous: new design, new materials, new engines, new electronic architecture..... So they decided that computer testing and some flying would be the same as years of flying and millions of flight hours. Well, these incidents (3 serious ones in 3 days) show how wrong they were; a typical US business style to put profits before safety. Because if that fire would have started in the air while flying over the ocean we would have seen the first deadly 787 crash. And losing a lot of fuel on take-off also is not promoting safety as well. Strange that nobody questions these ETOPS permission for a new and unproven plane...
I for my part know for sure I won't fly a 787 for the first 3 years, I prefer proven planes like the 777 or the 330. Let others be the crash test dummies...
honzanl
honza nl 1
according to the FAA it is more of a design-/construction-failure....
boughbw
Brian Bough 2
Similar reporting, but with an error:
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/027a9c74-59c1-11e2-b728-00144feab49a.html#axzz2HQNwiB3S

" An electrical fire in September 2010 contributed to the three years of delays in delivery of the first 787."

...

"The 787 entered service in September 2011."
theschoolofchuck
I didn't read the article, but the 787 had to make an emergency landing in Laredo, TX due to an electrical problem. It was during the testing before it entered service. I can't remember if it actually caught fire or not.
boughbw
Brian Bough 2
It did. But, I didn't think that the first delays were caused by electrical problems -- as I took it to be implied. Delivered only a year later (more or less), it read to me like they were blaming three years of delays on them.
Moviela
Ric Wernicke 2
That was caused by a tool left in an electrical panel, and it fell across live contacts.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
It's taxiing to the runway now. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
haydenlamb747400
Hayden Lamb 1
Just the Japaneses fligth engineers not the aircraft!
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 1
Uh oooooh......
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
A lot of this is new plane blues. It has been a long time since we have seen a truly new plane off the production line... They have been derivatives from other planes. Things are going to happen. I just prefer them find them before something happens.
ua31402
Qasim Rizvi 1
I also agree with my mom! this is a new hi tech aircraft it should not have problems this early.
cynthiamasel
cynthia masel 1
I'm planning a trip sometime this Summer to Japan. Trying to find a cheaper flight. Any suggestions.
JuliusThompson
Sorry that should read B787's
bovineone
Jeff Lawson 1
"one of four valves connecting the center and left main fuel tanks was open. That led to fuel flowing between the center and left tanks to a surge tank near the wing tip and then out a vent, spilling about 40 gallons."

http://bostonherald.com/business/business_markets/2013/01/jal_explains_787_fuel_leak_boston
DiversionD
Darryl Sarno 1
The plane left later in the day.

[This poster has been suspended.]

sparkie624
sparkie624 2
That is very true and my point Note the wing spar cracks that were found. they are having the new plane blues as well.
kenty
steve kent 1
Yes, don't go on the Dreamliner just yet.
racerman28
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

JAL Boeing 787 Suffers Fuel Leak as it Prepares for Takeoff at Boston Logan

A Japan Airlines (JAL) Boeing 787 Dreamliner had to abort its takeoff this morning at Boston Logan Airport (BOS) when fuel spilled out of the aircraft.

http://airnation.net/2013/01/08/jal-787-fuel-leak-bos/
riddfly
riddfly -2
These airplanes don't have gas caps like a Cessna 182 or a Citation 501.
Instead it is used a presssure fuel-loading systemunder the wing/s.
dbaker
Daniel Baker 6
I think Kenneth was joking!
sparkie624
sparkie624 3
They have to have fuel caps... How do you fuel the plane when the Pressure fueling is not working or not available for some reason. You Over Wing It... These caps are similar to that of a Cessna, but they have better seals and a tighter lock.
genethemarine
Gene spanos -3
What type of piss poor workmenship is this ?
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Language please
yr2012
matt jensen 0
Built in SC - what do you want?
pmbell64
Pat Bell 1
The JAL planes were built in Everett, not Charleston.
dg02141
Gene Delaney -1
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

Day 2: Second JAL 787 at Boston with a problem

JAL's 787 Dreamliner has encountered problems again at Boston Logan. This time it's a fuel leak.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/Second-Japan-Airlines-plane-stopped-before-takeoff-at-Logan/-/11971628/18051988/-/m5drtwz/-/index.html