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Averting Catastrophe Through Superior Airmanship (video)

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On October 9, 2002, Northwest Airlines flight 85, a Boeing 747-400 flying from Detroit to Narita suffered a lower rudder malfunction. This Air Crash Investigation episode reveals the challenges experienced on board by the crew, and the cause of this near disaster. (youtu.be) Daha Fazlası...

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sparkie624
sparkie624 2
Should be a good video. Will watch it this evening.
tarbaby
phil gibson 2
Systems knowledge is most important.......then the so called Superior Airmanship kicks in! ....and some Good Luck!!
First order of business is to FLY THE PLANE, and know your aircraft.
rh77
I watched this after Chip posted the TACA 110 vid -- both good TV shows if not a bit dramatic, but the crew interviews and NTSB investigation info seemed factual enough to give it credit, and was good entertainment in-between. I look forward to watching more of the series.

I'm glad you posted on this, because it's been on my mind as I flew threw DTW this week and started the mental list of questions (as usual). There is no mention of moving the rudder trim knob to full-opposite (not sure how much it would have helped).

Last thought... I noticed that the 777 has the split rudder design (or appears to). I'm wondering if the mechanics are similar, despite being designed decades later. Are there any other commercial carrier split rudders out there to compare/contrast and has the NTSB concluded the investigation where the show left off? (I'll leave it there as not to spoil the show).

RH77
stantona
And don't forget that the 727 had a split rudder as well.
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
Watched last night. Excellent video... I can only imagine holding the rudder like that. I have had to do RUDDER Checks on the ground when you have to hold a hard over rudder for a period of time and keep it there. With the energy that takes, I can imagine having to do it in flight with coordinated control of flight.
FlightSeer
FlightSeer 1
I am not a pilot, but I can see that technology has created the potential of losing necessary "hands on" flying skills needed in emergency situations. Since it might be a bit hard to have a camera crew on each flight "just in case" a documentary needs to be made about the flight, let's just accept the acting of the re-enactments as it is. I found the piece as a whole interesting.
facomments
William Lex 1
Wasn't there a circuit breaker that could have been pulled to disable the lower rudder?
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
No. but if they had turned the Hydraulics off (which is normally stickly forbidden). At that point he would have lost his upper rudder, spoilers, slats, breaks, Thurst Reveresers. If he had tried to regain those systems later then it could have been worse. Note the images at the end o fthe video. With power off the a/c, and even being moved... The lower rudder was jammed hard over. Chances are if they had killed the hydraulics then they would have lost the upper rudder and that would have most likly made ia scerenio that could not have been recovered from. It is my believe that the crew made the exact correct decisions. They were told to leave HYDRAULIC Systems on. As a Mechanic, and Airline Maintenance controller, I firmly believe that was the right decision.
rick737
richard weiss 1
Perhaps the most important take away from this video is in the very end. One of the pilots stated the ability to skillfully hand fly the aircraft was extremely important. As we train pilots to be autopilot managers, basic stick and rudder skill become secondary. If this crew had not had some old school flying under their belts the results of the this incident might be resting on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.

How about it everybody, grab the stick every now and then.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I agree 100%. I have talked to our Chief pilot with that very concern and he agrees. Pesonally, I do not feel that Simulator is a good enough. Working Maintenance control, when I have to MEL and autopilot, I find 2 types of captains... 1 is the one who complains that now he must hand fly it, and the 2nd is No Problem, we can use the practice.
malbarda
Video is no longer available :-(
jaypek
Phil Knox 1
Try this link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD0IEYwBqns&feature=youtube_gdata_player
laxlover
Stephen Brown 1
This is really worth watching!
JMAP
Bad situation made worse by terrible acting
chalet
chalet -2
This is not a video to be posted on this site, we are sick and tired of these phony replicas coming out of some Hollywood special effects desk. Henceforth only REAL videos with REAL ATC communications should be allowed.
rick737
richard weiss 1
why do you even bother to post anything, Chalet
flyby98
Chris Bugyi -1
I believe this video was shared last week also...
theostavfly
THANKS FOR THIS SUPER VIDEO. AS I STUDIED ENGINEERIG/ SCIENCE / RELIGION AND PARANORMAL PHENOMENA I BELIEVE THE CREW OF FLIGHT 85 9/10/2012 WAS GUIDED BY "ANGELS ' WHO LOOKED AFTER THEM. GOD BLESS HIS CHILDREN THANKS AGAIN.
linbb
linbb -8
Yup and its not one of the actual incident either so its not worth watching.
cm5299
Chuck Me 4
Yeah, it may not be sexy video of an air emergency but it's still an interesting story.

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