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Have we won the safety battle?

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Around 3 billion people boarded some 35 million flights, each of them traveling over 500 miles per hour in an aluminum tube 7 miles above the earth. And only 224 died. That’s simply an incredible number... In fact, 2013 was the safest year ever for airlines, surpassing 2012 (which was the safest ever). (airfactsjournal.com) Daha Fazlası...

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danielsallee12
Daniel Sallee 4
I think the moment we believe we've won the "safety battle" is the moment we get too relaxed, and that's when accidents happen. While our statistics may be up, and that's great, we should be ever vigilant of the hazards that exist and do everything we can to mitigate them.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 3
True.

But we're not anywhere near having won the safety battle in general aviation yet. The stats show that general aviation on average is not a very safe form of transportation, contrasting vividly with commercial aviation.
Roaether
Roaether 1
I don't think we will ever truly win the safety battle until we have a full year were no one truly dies by aviation, and that will likely never happen, soon atleast
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
The battle in safety is largely won (in the West fi commercial aviation). You don't need zero to have won. You need a culture of safety. Once you lose the culture of vigilance, we've lost. Because incidents and fatalities will follow.

Now we need to extend the wins in commercial aviation in the west to the rest of the world. And we need to eliminate the biggest causes of crashes and fatalities in general aviation (whatever they are).
Roaether
Roaether 1
If I am not mistaken, most crashes are due to pilot error

And we are getting there. 224 is really good number, but it can get better.

The problem is that the trend we are starting to see is that planes are getting bigger by the year. More people means more safety issues. Although larger planes like the A380 can evac all the people in the required time in a non emergency (the time being 90 secs for a pass), I highly doubt that all 600+ people could evacuate in a real emergency. If we ever want to see a year with no fatalities, first we must speed up the Evacuation time, As well as use better technology to try to eliminate pilot error as much as plausible.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 0
224 dead world wide !
Any data how many out of these due to errors or negligence of Non Americans ? Especially Asians ? Who are error prone culturally !
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish -1
Very few people 224 died in airliner crashes I'm 2013.

That's less than 400 people who died in US from falling out of bed.
That's less than 300 people who died I'm a bathtub.
And less than 2,900 people who on average die from hippos (apparently not in the US).
Let's not even mention car fatality rates.

WOW!! That's phenomenal.

That does make commercial passenger transit a very safe form of transportation.

However, GA can be substantially safer. While it wouldn't make sense to bog down small private planes and pilots with the same beaurocratic rules that apply to airlines, some effort should be made to help private pilots be safer. For thier own benefit and for the benefit of the people who's heads these pilots overfly.

Restricting obese pilots' ability to fly (without a second pilot available on the plane) seems like a reasonable way to reduce health related incidents that can result in catastrophic crashes and fatalities.

More importantly, there would be benefit in:
1) reducing the FAA beaurocracy
2) determining the simplest causes if the greatest number of GA crashes / fatalities that could easily be changed with the least burden on general aviation (low hanging fruit).
bovineone
Jeff Lawson 1
I'm sure there are many overweight pilots would object to the FAA restricting their access and that this was an example of FAA bureaucracy. They would probably argue that they are being singled out without due medical research to substantiate that high bodyweight is specifically an indicator of flight safety risk. The recent sleep apnea medical issue is an example of this.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 0
Sleep apnea may have been an overreach, but tried to tackle 2 problems simultaneously that impact flying: pilot fatigue, and pilot health-related incidents inflight.

I can imagine the day that non-military pilots with bio-rthyms consistent with fatigue are not allowed to fly and endanger lives.

I can also imagine the day that individuals who choose to endanger their own health chronically will have less of a claim against society to subsidize the high cost of tier disregard for their own well-being.
bovineone
Jeff Lawson 1
It would probably be less controversial to make those pilots affected by any future health/medical-based safety decisions to just have a limitation on their pilot certificate that requires they fly with a second pilot. It is already possible for pilots with certain heart/medical conditions to retain their certificate but have a two-pilot limitation added, but I'm pretty sure you have to specifically ask for and pursue that option.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish -1
Sounds like a great idea to mitigate the consequences of sending ticking time bombs into the skies above populations. Having a second healthy pilot helps.

As we come to better understand biological systems, we'll have better visibility into individual fatigue and individual health.

We'll be better able to differentiate between those who create lots of unecessary risk vs. those who create much less relative risk in the sky. Still seems a long time off, but the abilities tendons will come sooner than we think.
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
How many people died last year from fat, sleepy pilots? No real numbers there. In fact there is pending legislation to reduce qualifications for class 3 medical.
davysims
David Sims 1
The number one cause of GA accidents is pilot error, not incapacitation. The types of accidents usually revolve around Controlled Flight into Terrain and entering Instrument Meterological Conditions while VFR. The annual number of GA accidents caused by the pilot's health can be counted on one hand. That is why the sleep apnea thing was such an overreach.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
It happens all the time I'm road vehicles.

It shouldn't happen any less in the sky. The only difference I'd you can't pull over.

Sometimes it may hard to tell if the unconsciousess came before ir was caused by the accident, especially when the pilot and/ or an passenger witnesses die in the crash.

Either way, I an a proponent of measuring. They should try to tackle whatever are the causes of the greatest number of GA crashes. We shouldn't still keep having so many small plane crashes every year.

Sometimes they only take out the pilot and/or any passengers. But other times the plane is flying over populations, (eg. when approaching airports.)

FAA tried to tackle sleep apnea. I conceded far above that doing so may have been an overreach. But maybe we need to change pilot culture even more. Maybe, we should be saying instead, that that it isn't ok to take control of a plane when fatigued (for whatever reason, even if the fatigue is chronic).

While it would be good to reduce regulation to the minimum necessary to make flying safe (for those in the plane, but even moreso for the folks on the ground). It is not ok to tolerate endless crashes. Whatever us the cause of the largest number of actual crashes should be tackled (whatever the causes are.)
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 1
Biggest problem is judgement. You can't legislate that. Just like everyone else, pilots sometimes exercise poor judgement. Most auto fatalities are caused by poor judgement too. What is an acceptable level I do not know. And we are only one big crash away from the great record going south real fast. We dodged the bullet with 214.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
It needs to get to the point that a pilot doesn't feel like it's ok to takencontrol of a plane when fatigued. It must not be cool to get away with it.

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