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Passenger Video - Southwest 345 Nose Gear Collapse

Video shot by a passenger on Southwest 345 at the time of landing ( Daha Fazlası...

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Jd Young 6
Tim Duggan 1
LOL!!! Funniest comment yet! Thumb up.
sparkie624 0
From an electricians point of view, I guess you could say "He was Grounded Out" :)

Yes, I know it is old and bold...
David Semak 2
This recording really is dramatic but certainly doesn't offer any clues that I can see. Obviously a major pitch control problem developed that wasn't arrested, thank God these planes are built so well and no lives were lost.
Jake Kyser 2
Stop with the speculation. Are we the NTSB? No. Are we the crew? No. Some of you might be certificated pilot, and if that's the case shame on all of you for speculating. You should know better than anyone that it's not always "pilot error".
bbabis 1
Jake, Thank you for standing up for the pilots. As a pilot, I do know better than most that it is not "always" pilot error. Sadly though it is "usually" pilot error. Oh, we can come up with plenty of things to blame these types of incidents on. The bottom line is though, if things aren't perfect, and they rarely are, its the pilot's job to make sure the plane stays out of trouble. As far as speculating goes, that is what we do on these sites. Sure we weren't there but neither was the NTSB. They will look at and listen to everything they can and then come to some determination. We do the same thing and this short video gives us more information. Short runway, wet runway, or windy conditions all call for a firm touchdown of the mains before lowering the nose. This didn't happen. This pilot aggressively lowered the nose either in a very poor reaction to a wind gust or in total misjudgment of the landing.
oowmmr 1
I surprised at the calm.
Floyd mckinnon 0
Another stupid pilot maneuver.....what was the crew thinking (doing)?
John Berry 5
They could have hit some vortex wake turbulence too that forced the nose down. There could be several causes of this accident besides pilot error.
Tim Duggan 2
Wake turbulence imparts a roll motion primarily, not a pitch motion. The video (what there is of it) shows just about normal, maybe a little nose-low, crossing the Runway threshold, then the nose pitches down. As has been speculated elsewhere, a last-minute movement of the trailing edge FLAPS from 30 degrees to the 40 degree setting might have caused such an event. This might have been an improper flight crew technique/decision.

Preliminary, and guess work only on that.

However, what I find most interesting is the soundtrack AFTER impact, and after the airplane stopped. I do not hear what I would expect, over the PA system, from either the Flight Attendants, nor the Flight Deck. What I hear sounds as if the F/As confusedly and haphazardly give a few commands, but without much authority, and only by shouting. (With no electronic enhancement).

A wimpy "Stay in your seats" is insufficient compared to a very commanding "Remain seated! Remain seated!" which is a far more appropriate command to give. (Also, from the Flight Deck as well)...until a situation is assessed, and THEN (if warranted) a command to Evacuate. All of these procedures I would think are in SWA's Flight manuals and SOPs? Assuming that SWA has standards similar to every other major airline in the USA?
QuickBurn 1
According to NTSB, Flaps 40 happened 56 seconds before touchdown, which is well before this video was started. Looked to be stable to me until reaching the numbers.

You should notice a power reduction over the freeway, and then a further reduction above the overrun area. Too soon to cut power, I don't care how short or long the runway is.

After the plane had stopped, you'll also notice the lights go out. I would guess it could be SOP for the crew to shut off the masters (including electrical) after such an event, so no PA system.

As you said above, guess work. We'll find out eventually.
Bullhorns have their own power supply
Time just ticked by without an evac.order.
John Berry 1
True, but that close to the ground if they entered the downward traveling component of the vortex it could have pushed the nose down.

Of course anything we come up with is pure speculation and it could boil do to simple pilot error.
Tim Duggan 1
Again, must disagree on this as a plausible hypothesis, because there simply isn't any data to show this having happened, in many many wingtip vortices tests that have been done over the years. The vortex will act upon the lifting surfaces (wings) with far more effect. And, an airplane tends to be more stable in pitch (motion about the lateral axis) compared to roll (about the longitudinal axis).

Not to mention that any vortex tends to dissipate very, very rapidly near the ground. The rotational aspect no longer persists. SWA 345 was only about 10-15 feet above the runway (estimating from the video) when the accident sequence began.

This archival film was found on YouTube, dating from 1974. as "Jumbo Jet" airliners were being introduced, the danger and severity of wingtip vortices increased:

So, unwanted and sometimes uncontrollable rolling is the primary hazard, and then usually when too close behind Heavy jets, which aren't the type you see at LGA nowadays.
Jake Kyser 2
I love when people blame pilots.
matt jensen -1
Que aperto, realmente um grande susto !
Brian Jordan 0
I thought out electronics are to be off during take-off and landing....

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MultiComm 1
sparkie624 -1
This one has been around and really should not be new... Wonder if they can use this video as evidence that the person on board taking the video violated federal law in regards to all electronics being powered off... :)


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