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Taxiing Delta aircraft hits parked car at DTW

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A taxiing Delta Airlines plane about to depart from Detroit (DTW) to Tulsa struck a parked car as it was being towed about 4 p.m. local time Monday. (www.clickondetroit.com) Daha Fazlası...

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tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 3
@"Brian Rogers" -- I realize the sub-headline of the article you grabbed this from says "Taxiing plane hits parked car..." but, this is not accurate as the body of the article shows.

In fact, your text description even mentions it was under tow! The headline should be changed. Why does this seem important?

Because when the airplane is indeed taxiing on its own, then the flight crew are responsible. When being towed or pushed back (as was the case here) the ground crew are responsible.
acmi
acmi 5
and again...sub-contract wing walkers making minimum wage. you still get what you pay for. i was making $17/hr doing this for TWA as a ramp sup in the 80's. Now thay pay these guys about $8.50 at JFK thanks to the likes of Allied and Swissport.
gopurduego
Robert Lewis 3
Well, sadly you're correct. I can't speak to JFK wages, but in my midwest station, we make between $8.50-$10.50. So who do you get applying for the jobs? Part time youngsters that just want the travel benefits and can't possibly take the job as seriously as it deserves to be taken. (Why WOULD they??)
Lunarstorm777
(v)e Same 1
Amen to this! I mean, $40 million aircraft - Wing walker / deicer making minimum wage. Oh well, apparently CEOs don't care either.
pdixonj
pdixonj 1
Travel benefits??...they don't even get that!
ArthurNetteler
What does the wages of Ramp Workers have to do with this accident??
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
I think the idea is that cheaply paid, unvalued and interchangable worker units tend to be less motivated to do a good job than better paid people who worked at the same job in the memory of several of the posters. Like the ones who can't get your order right but can ask
"do you want fries with that?"
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
You're lucky, I made $6.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
That should be, I made $6.37 an hour at CO in EWR in 87...
Lunarstorm777
(v)e Same 2
I made $7.00/hr for 6 months working for DGS (Delta owned subsidiary) in 2003. Bet your $6.37 bought you more in '87 than my $7 did in 2003 lmao.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Yeah, every Friday I filled by brand new 1989 Sentra up with Amoco premium for $11. Reg. was .70, mid .80, and super .90 a gal.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Preacherman has me beat, it was around .30 a gal in his raising hell days!!!
ExCalbr
Victor Engel 1
I've seen it as low as 69 cents a gallon as late as the early 90s. The location was Zavalla, Texas, or some such place.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Smart Aleck; BUT, back in the gas war days in the late 60's, I have seen it at 14.9 in Southwest MO around SPG. Seems to me, I was just outa high school and shuttling new school buses out of Southern IN to SW Okla..Total delivery charge of $125 and we paid our way up on the train and bought gas back, and I'd still clear $40-$50 per trip, doing 3 turns per week. That was dang good money back then.LOL
Lunarstorm777
(v)e Same 1
Man, I do remember gas being like $.80 a gallon but that seems like a fuzzy dream now.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Sub Contract wing walkers - Sub Contract Airline...This one belongs to Atlantic Southeast or whoever they are now.
gopurduego
Robert Lewis 2
the car has no business there, it's clearly not a gorund service vehicle that needs to be within the safety triangle, and the wing walkers should have been showing the 'hold' sign to the pushback driver. Or maybe the pushback driver started pushing before wing walkers were in place. There are many ways to avoid your plane from running into a Ford Fiesta, this crew should have found at least one of them.
jkudlick
Jeremy Kudlick 2
Why didn't the ground crew look around the plane before pushback? It sounds like shared responsibility to me: SkyChef for parking there in the first place, and ground crew for not ensuring the area was clear.
ExCalbr
Victor Engel 1
Funny, today's Groupon says, "Wings and pub food".
clipperjetl1011
Wally Colbert 1
Glad I don't have to do the station paperwork on this one!!
What happened to the SOP of wing walkers on every push???
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Upon reflection.....
Isn't this a bit like the old NRA slogan "Guns don't kill people"?
Isn't it more correct to say that the Towbar driver ran over the sedan
using a regional jet (wearing Delta livery) as a foil?
Midwaymike
Mike Lowe 1
All,

Let me make this a concise as possible. That's a f*****g R J ! NOT, I repeat NOT a Delta Air Lines jet!!!!
preacher1
preacher1 1
I done told 'em it was an RJ, Mike, Atlantic Southeast or whoever they are now, but it didn't seem to register
preacher1
preacher1 1
I also got to say that it has Delta on it, is in Delta Colors, and carries a Delta Flight Number.By virtue of their incorporation, they have to abide by FAA rules; by virtue of their contract with DAL they have to abide by it and as DAL is assuming the primary liability, I would think that they would have them as close to operating by DAL standards.
kdog1839
david kuhn 1
If the aircraft was being towed/pushed back, the paymover operator is the person ultimately responsible. Also: if wing walkers were being used; they should have stopped the tow/pushback by signaling the paymover operator! The person that parked the Sky Chef vehicle within the circle of safety is also to blame!
BenKFIT
Ben Lillie 1
What is a regular civilian car doing on the tarmac? I would think that if it were a car belonging to one of the ground crew they would have had the foresight to park it somewhere safer.
hviswanathan
It does say the vehicle belonged to Skychef, the catering company that provides meals (cough cough peanuts) on the plane.
mikezc128
I feel it is the fault of the tug driver and wing walkers. It says they were pushing back so there is fault for the wing walkers not saying anything to the tug or the tug driver not seeing the car.
preacher1
preacher1 2
Wing walker or not, I have a hard time with the fact that the tug driver couldn't see that, just looking at the pics.

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preacher1
preacher1 1
All the more reason he should have seen it.
CaptainFreedom
CaptainFreedom 1
Maybe he saw it and thought that nobody would notice jk :)
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Or guessed it would be a near miss. Which it was - it nearly missed!
jkudlick
Jeremy Kudlick 1
It's not just the ground crew; everyone who drives on the AOA must go through a training course, part of which includes the prohibition on parking within the aircraft envelopes at the gates. Many airlines are also cutting costs by only using one wing walker, typically on the port side. This leaves the starboard side unobserved; this is a potential consequence.
joelwiley
joel wiley 2
so how many $8/hr wing walkers could they have hired for the cost of this 'oopsie'.
Well, this won't affect the CEO's quarterly bonus.
Lunarstorm777
(v)e Same 2
Course not, just raise ticket prices or make some new "Gotcha" charges to cover the cost of repairs.... Oh and fire everyone in the area whether they had anything to do with it or not. Save some more cash working people that haven't made it to their 6 month pay increase.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
OK Phil
preacher1
preacher1 1

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THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
He seems like he takes it well...
N5827P
N5827P 1
As the CEO says "We are gonna save money and we don't care what it costs us"
ArthurNetteler
This comes from taxiing with the flaps deployed. I have seen Ground Crew walk into flaps also. Why the need to have the flaps deployed BEFORE even taxiing??? Never in 34+ years did I taxi with flaps! My Dad would have wacked me for doing that. Set at hold-short and raise at the turnoff!! Dad flew from 1938 until 1997, if it had wings I think he had the controls at least once...lol..
seahawker01
seahawker01 1
It looks like the flaps were retracted here so not sure I understand the comment. But the FAA has pushed for the elimination of the taxi checklist and the takeoff checklist is really too late to deploy slow moving flaps/slats. This leads to flaps being set on the after start check now. It actually works good.
The CRJ used to and some may still require flaps be set at the gate. The aircraft had a poor flap control system and the flaps would have to be visually verified before departure.
So while your dad may have been a great pilot, understand that there are reasons for most everything on the flight line. I did not say they were good reasons but non-the-less that is how the crew is trained.
preacher1
preacher1 1
As you speak of is about standard procedure for most old heads, but I'm a thinking it may be on a takeoff checklist for most 121's now and even being taught at most schools now, idk for sure. Part of the reason is just so they don't forget, and to boot, at some low density airports, there is no hold short. I have been cleared for takeoff or for an immediate and it's off the taxiway, onto the active and let the black smoke roll.

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