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Google executives set to break ground on $82 million private air terminal next month

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Google's ruling trio of Larry Page, Sergey Brin, and Eric Schmidt are reportedly ready to begin construction of a 29-acre, $82 million private air terminal at Mineta San Jose International Airport. (appleinsider.com) Daha Fazlası...

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andrewstagg
Andrew Stagg 9
There's a fair bit of misinformation going around about the development at SJC.

Here are the facts:

1) Google as a company has nothing to do with this development. Signature is building a new FBO at SJC with some financing from Blue City, LLC which manages the aircraft owned by Larry, Sergey and Eric. The aircraft are owned by H211, LLC.

2) This FBO is NOT just for Google's aircraft. Like any $ignature location, any aircraft from a Cessna 150 to Boeing 767 who buys gas or pays ramp fees can use the facility.

3) No taxpayer money is being spent on this project. Signature is paying $2.6m in annual rent, along with tax and fuel flowage guarantees.

4) Comments below said Google was buying taxpayer subsidized fuel at NUQ. That's not entirely true - the fuel at NUQ is purchased by the US government at below market rates due to the volume and is the only fuel available at NUQ and Google paid the same price charged to all other aircraft operators. They also paid about $1.3m per year in hangar rent.

Accurate information about the development is available here: http://www.flysanjose.com/fl/about/newsroom/2013_releases/WestSide.htm
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 3
Here is another view of the fuel situation:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323864604579069730686941454

If H211 is not paying the retail price that the fuel would cost elsewhere, then the taxpayer is in effect subsidizing it.
andrewstagg
Andrew Stagg 2
Quoting your article: "The Pentagon probably didn't lose much, if any, money on the fuel sales. The agency says it recently charged H211 on a cost-plus basis, and before that charged a standard budgetary price that was infrequently reset but over time reflected the government's costs."

I agree that the taxpayers lost out on taxes that would have been paid had the fuel been bought at market prices with excise and fuel flowage taxes, but I believe to say the purchase was subsidized by taxpayers is misleading.
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 3
I never said the Pentagon lost money, they were paid the cost of the fuel by H211. But the cost is less than retail.

The fuel used by the Pentagon is paid for by the taxpayer, and letting H211 use fuel at those below-retail prices means that the taxpayer is subsidizing H211. The only way the taxpayer wouldn't be subsidizing the fuel would be if the Pentagon was getting it at cost.

And whether H211 paid local taxes as required is a whole different story.
vanbess
vanbess 5
When did it become evil for a company to make profits? Seems to me the facility will have to be staffed. The company will employ crew members to fly and staff the planes and then you have maintance staffing. Good for the company building their own facility and for the use of the runway that is paid for out of the fuel taxes that they pay.
dral6503
Ed Berling 2
Will this terminal have free wi-fi access?
preacher1
preacher1 1
Must be nice to have that kind of money
canuck44
canuck44 1
Remember it will be written off as a business expense by Google...mitigating what few taxes they pay in this country anyway. Much of this cost will be indirectly borne by the taxpayers of the USA, California and the host county.
preacher1
preacher1 2
Well now John, you must have not read all the article. It said they were going to pay this out of their personal money. LOL
canuck44
canuck44 1
For even greater savings as the personal tax rate in CA is around 70% for those making more than minimum wage.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
John, I must humbly correct you on this, the maximum CA tax rate is 11-13% depending on the municipality. The other 57-59% are 'user fees'.

Please send water- CA fire season kicked off this week. I see MAFFS in our future.
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff -2
The expenses are nicely offset by the fact that they've been flying around using taxpayer-subsidized fuel.
siriusloon
siriusloon 1
The feds didn't pay a higher price for it and sell it at a lower price. Uncle Sam gets a good price for the fuel based on the huge volume they buy and then sells it based on the price they paid, not only to this FBO, but to anyone else at this airport, so it is not "taxpayer subsidized".

One of the biggest DoD expenses, by far, is fuel for USAF aircraft. They buy a LOT of jet fuel and that gets them a better price than any FBO can dream of getting. No tax dolars subsidize the price. On the contrary, it's because of what Uncle Sam is doing on behalf of the taxpayers that requires the large amount of fuel that, in turn, gets the good price.

Sorry to let facts get in the way of a good rant.
randomguy
randomguy 2
So... who else is the "everyone else"at KNUQ? I can think of, off the top of my head:

NASA
the CA Air National Guard
A couple of local police dept choppers

Airship Ventures isn't there anymore, and I don't know off-hand what their fuel was anyways.
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 1
Nowhere did I say that the Pentagon paid more for the fuel than they are selling it for. Please read the WSJ article posted above to gain an understanding of the issue.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
They need yo get away from the controversies at the military field. Especially now, after the fuel prices were brought up to market price, there's absolutely no reason to stay around keeping memories of the cobytovery fresh.

The only better option were if they were to decommission Moffett. In that case, they could've built this new terminal there, closer to their campus. Buy the government wants to get away from the conyrovery too (especially in light of the NSA revelations). Neither want want to look like there's too cozy a relationship between google and the government/military /NSA.

So since the likelihood of building at Moffett (or of even renewing the existing lease) might as well as look at other options like this one.
NickFlightX
NickFlightX 1
Finally! It appears that the city has finally won in the law suit against this. And for those who don't know, Atlantic lost the competition to hold the hangers and they sued the city for not picking them and said the city screwed up, in reality Atlantic screwed up by not meeting the requirements. They just don't want competition.
preacher1
preacher1 1
????????
NickFlightX
NickFlightX 1
Atlantic and Signature were competing to be the FBO for the hangers. Atlantic lost because they didn't meet all the requirements to win. Atlantic sued San Jose City and said they screwed up and they should have the job. They in reality just don't want competition and everyone that is a plane fanatic and know about this is mad at Atlantic for suing and causing this delay for the project.
joelwiley
joel wiley 2
Filing protests and lawsuits because you didn't win a government contract is just business as usual in California.
Moviela
Ric Wernicke -3
Private terminal at San Jose for 82 million? That much would pay for a Quonset hut and four parking spaces. A terminal that can hanger a 737 is going to cost more than that for the land alone.

I think somehow the taxpayer is on the line for a great portion of this over indulgence. Just like the fuel they buy without taxes for parties in Europe, there has to be a hook that is not being reported.
FAI1
WILLIAM FLAVIN -2
Send that message to Obama and his taxpayer funded excessive use of AF 1 for campaigning and private vacations, movies in NYC etc.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
People have been making that argument at least since FDR sent the destroyer back to pick up Fala!. jest sayin'
siriusloon
siriusloon 1
And I suppose all of Bush's campaign flights and his many trips to Texas for countless vacations don't count as "excessive" to you? All flights on government for political purposes are billed to the party and are not paid for out of the federal budget. This is something they have been scrupulous about for many, many years. Once again, sorry to let facts get in the way of a good rant. You could have confirmed that the flight costs are reimbursed, you know. You're posting online, so that means you have access to (oh, the irony) Google.
preacher1
preacher1 4
Just for what it's worth, the party reimburse for campaign trips at a much lower rate than actual costs. The rest of it is on the gov't.
blake1023
blake1023 1
What about Michelle's trip to Spain, her 50th birthday party in Hawaii, the Obamas take trips on separate airplanes. Countless golf trips, while an ambassador is getting shot in Benghazi. Countless trips to California. Oh and not mention Pelosi didn't like a Gulfstream, she needed a b757. For a bunch who loves to talk about climate change and greed, why don't look at themselves Those are facts too!
Moviela
Ric Wernicke 3
Scary to think Rep. Pelosi was second in line to the presidency. She'd want an A380 'cause it was as big as her ego.
siriusloon
siriusloon -5
Yes, of course, there just HAS to be something fishy about this. It couldn't possibly be legal or scrutinized seven ways from Sunday by multiple regulatory agencies, shareholders, creditors, media, etc. They just HAVE to be doing something illegal.

And you know this how?

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