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Donald Trump’s Aging Air Fleet Gives His Bid, and His Brand, a Lift

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A close look at Mr. Trump’s two airplanes — the 757 and a smaller jet used on the campaign trail — and three helicopters, however, suggests that their value rests chiefly in their marketing potential, with the Trump stamp of status masking the fleet’s age. (www.nytimes.com) Daha Fazlası...

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damavab
Ask the airlines who fly the 757 about it's performance and reliability.
alexa320
alex hidveghy 2
I used to fly them here in the US and overseas. Great airplane especially if they were equipped with RR RB-211 engines, lots of excess power there. Nice machine and a pleasure to fly.
hiflier32
ric lang -3
I would inquire, If I may, just where exactly are you registered as an ATP?
hiflier32
ric lang -3
Where, if I may ask, are you registered as an ATP?
pilot62
Scott Campbell 5
There's also a huge glut of used 57's, the less used ones are being converted to cargo aircraft.
United has retired all 57-200' in domestic config - outside of the 300's on cross country and Hawaii.
The International configured and PS are still flying. Miss them, they blow away the 37-900's
mcass777
mark cassidy cassidy 9
What IS incredible is the power of this man, for better or worse, like him or hate him, to create a buzz. Media across the country can start a topic or write an article and it becomes a lightning rod. This is a crap article and look at us - we can't stop talking about it!
jaspc
Jose Suro 15
I don't see the "age" point. The two VC-25As (747s) used by the president are over 26 years old.
jshhmr
josh homer 3
Not a fan of Trump at all, but that is a dumb point. He used to fly 727's, but just like any smart business he no longer saw the feasibility of a tri-engined aircraft.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
And those 747's have a lot more time and cycles on them... UGH... Look at what obama has been doing with them...
beilstwh
beilstwh 8
You mean doing his JOB?
srobak
srobak -1
Jou funny, mang.
alexa320
alex hidveghy 2
English, please!
srobak
srobak 1
Well - that's the government for you. But - this article wasn't to compare a government's aircraft with his... but more his vs. those of other wealthy folks, CEOs and the like that have their own planes. Most of them are nowhere near as old.
ArthurNetteler
So... If Mr. Trump doesn't feel the need to spend money on some FLASHY NEW Aircraft, it is NOW a subject for debate??? Are you people REALLY that desperate to find ANYTHING NEGATIVE about Mr. Trump or his Companies, that you have to resort to attacking the AGE of his AIRCRAFT??... Let's see you talk about the 25-30 year Aircraft that you and my family are forced to fly on DAILY?
chiphermes
Chip Hermes 0
I don't think the VC-25s ever flew as an airliner in Central America.
jaspc
Jose Suro 1
Your point?
SmokedChops
SmokedChops 9
The VC-25's in question are probably the most documented, meticulously maintained airframes in the the USAF inventory, (save, a few very funky bombers at Whiteman AFB) is what Mr. Hermes is alluding to.
jaspc
Jose Suro 0
Trump bought the 757 from Paul Allen. Name ring any bells?
cm5299
Chuck Me 3
And I believe it was with a now bankrupt airline before Paul Allen.
ArthurNetteler
AGAIN, what is your point??
ArthurNetteler
What is your point?
honzanl
honza nl -1
You only forgot in the past they found out bogus parts were actually fitted to these 'most documented, meticulously maintained airframes'.....
chiphermes
Chip Hermes 2
If it only happened in your imagination, it doesn't count.
honzanl
honza nl 1
"The spare aircraft parts industry had little regulation in many places in the world at the time of the Partnair Flight 394 accident. The United States Department of Transportation (USDOT), which oversees the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), examined the scope of the spare parts in the United States. The USDOT audited the FAA's inventory and found that 39% of the parts in the bins were forged.
The FAA investigated false parts and captured illegal parts dealers in sting operations. The FAA found that there was an industry for making thousands of worn and inferior parts to look like newly manufactured parts. At the time of the Partnair accident, aircraft parts were required to have documentation with signatures indicating that the parts were authentic. The FAA found that illegal business forged FAA tags to make the parts appear authentic. Schiavo said that many of the operators signed the tags with forged signatures of real inspectors. Friedman said that the tags had more monetary value than the actual illegal parts. The Americans initially believed that the proliferation of false parts mainly affected only smaller airlines; Schiavo said that smaller airlines and repair stations were usually the businesses that were the most likely to accept false parts. The FAA later found forged parts in larger operations; in particular Air Force One, the aircraft used by the President of the United States, had fraudulent parts
ArthurNetteler
What does this have to do with the Trump Aircraft? I seem to not be following your line of "thought"? The Article here was just a "Hit Piece" aimed to try and belittle Mr. Trump for some unknown reason?
honzanl
honza nl 0
just read all comments above and you will know.
honzanl
honza nl 0
ps my 1st reply is seen by me here as being linked to the comment of Jose Suro but it should have been linked to the comment right above it, that of SomkedChops regarding the VC-25
ArthurNetteler
And YOU FORGOT to mention that 70% of the Replacement parts used on USA Airliners before the FAA Crackdown, were from BOGUS 3rd World Suppliers. So, what is your point AGAIN?
acampanella
Donald seems friendly to General Aviation... using it often for business and pleasure. I can see him promoting GA wisely.
sparkie624
sparkie624 4
Who cares about age as long as the plane is maintained... He certainly is not logging anything close to Delta or United.... The thing that I would be concerned with is hours and cycles.... I know it is well below 40,000 cycles because at that point it is almost uneconomical to maintain due to the FAA Required Aging Aircraft Program and a plane of that size usually requires about 3 months downtime when not under an airline phase or scheduled maintenance scheme.
mdburd
mdburd 4
Exactly.
A man named Sam Walton would only buy used planes, too. If memory serves, he had a few extra bucks laying around, too...
mehalacopoulos
Everyone is miles away from the subject
allench1
allench1 3
mcass777
mark cassidy cassidy 5
Like him or not the article is a joke. If this reporter investigated the actual logbooks of all aircraft in question, we could get some insight to the actual safety for Trump. General age of a plane has nothing to do with its worthiness or safety. Ask Delta or American about the MD80. Loud but it works.
layman85
layman85 3
That would be a great point-- if the article mentioned safety at all.
mcass777
mark cassidy cassidy 4
It's is a puff piece!
dtw757
mike SUT 6
The real point of this article is that while Hilary pays herself a salary to campaign on the trail, Trump does the same by one of his companies has charged him 3.7 million for travel costs for campaign travel....guess whose pocket it goes back into complete with tax deductions.
dbaker
Daniel Baker 5
But wait a minute, isn't he paying for his own campaign? So you think he's paying himself to fly around campaigning so he gets rich on tax deductions for his own expenses?
allench1
allench1 3
Very good point.
jshhmr
josh homer 9
Well the veterans group he raised 6 million for have seen about 500k. Other groups are wondering where their share is. Running a scam charity is just one way Trump "pays his own way." A fake university is another way.
ArthurNetteler
Arthur Netteler -3
YOU ARE A LIAR!!!! I WANT YOU TO GIVE ME DOCUMENTS, ARTICLES, or TESTIMONY TO SUPPORT WHAT YOU OR YOUR FRIENDS ARE SAYING ABOUT TRUMP SCAMS! You MUST have some Court or Police Records that give you that information, I want to see them? What VETERAN GROUP ARE YOU REFERRING TO? I have close Friend in the DOJ Staff and if there had been any such information out there they would have been ALL OVER IT, if it was AGAINST Mr. Trump!
ArthurNetteler
Arthur Netteler -2
josh homer... ANOTHER REPLY to your CRAP ASS comment...
Have you BOTHERED to even get the FACTS on the "Trump University"? Are you aware that out of a TOTAL of 9,476 GRADUATED Students, FIVE... YES I SAID 5, are TRYING to sue Mr. Trump! Now some FACTS for you Factually Challenged People. Standford University, Washington University, Clemson University, Harvard University and Southern California University are sued an AVERAGE of 187 times EACH a YEAR (over the past 10 years from "Business Review Magazine")! By Students over UNHAPPINESS with the courses! Stop WASTING YOUR TIME WITH LIES, and making a FOOL OUT OF YOURSELF at the SAME TIME!
chalet
chalet 0
CNN reported that one of Trump's companies is footing the bill of airplanes, buses, flags (and maybe his fluffy toupee too). So in reality it is Uncle Sam, mind you.
dbaker
Daniel Baker 11
How is Uncle Sam possibly paying? Because he can deduct the expenses on his taxes? That is true of any business expense.
canuck44
canuck44 6
If he rented from NetJet they would still be deducting the cost. Uncle Sam is paying for nothing only receiving less money extorted from a different taxpayer. Trump still pays the costs through his company, gets charged business taxes through the company and then is taxed again if he takes a profit out. Political contributions are not deductible to either Trump or his company.
ArthurNetteler
Please explain how it is the USA Tax Payers that are paying, when one of the Trump Companies pay the Bills??? You have lost me on that one?
beilstwh
beilstwh -4
He says that he is funding his own campaign but like most things with trump, that is a lie. He has donation buttons on his canadate site and the records show most of the money he uses comes from donors.
dbaker
Daniel Baker 4
What is your source for this? Just guessing?

The Washington Post has this infographic that demonstrates that you are incorrect: https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/03/Spending_Pie.jpg&w=1484
allench1
allench1 5
U just made a slanderous remark so why go there. This is an aviation site not a political forum to spill such disrespect on invalid information. Have a nice day
ArthurNetteler
Arthur Netteler -2
Let him KEEP talking I have a friend in the Trump Campaign. And they are very interested in what this guy has to say!
kw77
katty wompus 4
So that explains the incoherent babbling to go with all the CAPITAL letters.
ArthurNetteler
So,... now your trying to tell us that it is SOMEHOW WRONG that Mr. Trump has a "Contribute Button" on his Website??? Sorry, but I need to have a BETTER explanation from you on THAT ONE?? Also, PLEASE give us any and all Documents that support your assertions that "records show most of the money he uses comes from donors". I think you are LYING YET AGAIN! You MUST have copies of those "RECORDS" correct?
ArthurNetteler
Arthur Netteler -2
What you are saying, I think... Is that Mr. Trump is spending $ Millions of Dollars working 24/7 Campaigning. So that he can get a 33% Deducting on the $ Millions of Dollars SPENT? And in your MIND that is how he makes a LIVING/PROFIT? He spends $100 MILLION Dollars SOLELY so he can get the $33 MILLION in TAX BREAKS??? Seems kind of a STUPID RATIONALIZATION YOU HAVE THERE??
ArthurNetteler
Arthur Netteler -2
Mike SUT... Are you from "Greece"? That is the ONLY explanation for the rational in your above comment. Do you know what JUST the "Landing Fees" are at say ORD? I DO. Back in the mid 1980's it was $450 for a DC9! Now let's talk about the TOTAL hourly cost the fly a 757... At today's market, it would be in the ballpark of $7,600/HOUR generally speaking. I find it very hard to get the numbers to come out that this is somehow a PROFIT MACHINE for Mr. Trump. As he is the one PAYING all these Expenses. Let us NOT forget Private Security, Staff and Crews needed for Mr. Trump to travel basically 24/7 for the past 10 MONTHS! As well as the Staff, Crews and Security for his FAMILY MEMBERS, traveling around the USA on his behalf. Please Sir, if you are that STUPID as to even think of this nonsense equation, I HOPE YOU ARE NOT A VOTING USA CITIZEN!!
chalet
chalet 5
Being prudent with ones money is a virtue and Truman is my kind of guy (do you remember that he bought his own stamps) but a totaly different thing is to flaunt an alleged huge fortune before mere mortals and be cheap. He does not deserve to the POTUS.
allench1
allench1 -1
so says an expert, not.
chalet
chalet 1
Indeed, but thanks anyway
allench1
allench1 -1
You are most welcome. Lol
ArthurNetteler
Would you PREFER that he PRETEND TO BE BROKE or INDIGENT, like the Clinton's have for the past 20 YEARS!
dapkarian
dapkarian 4
Hey Chip obviously you don't like Trump.....but that said I don't see a cheap facade, I see a businessman who thinks before he spends his hard earned money. It's a lifestyle choice and obviously he gets a big bang for is buck. Perhaps today's politicians should think more like that....ohhhhh but yes they don't need to worry about it because there spending our money not there's!
pilot62
Scott Campbell 4
Uh Nuclear triad, "I'm for that I mean if we go nuclear it's bad very bad"
Good business man or person of more power, inheriting 200 million in the 70's
is not a 1 million dollar loan. Outside of ego I cant see what he wants it for.
check the response -trump answer nuclear triad-
alexa320
alex hidveghy 2
Me thinks you could do with an education here, and I'm not talking politics either!
it's a big bang for HIS buck and THEY'RE spending our money not THEIRS! Sheesh, another Trump University graduate, huh??? He must love you.....
ArthurNetteler
Arthur Netteler -2
Got to say Sir... Your comment makes NO SENSE! Do you think that the PROFITS of the Trump Empire were at YOUR EXPENSE SOME HOW?? I do not follow you Sir.
Have you BOTHERED to even get the FACTS on the "Trump University"? Are you aware that out of a TOTAL of 9,476 GRADUATED Students, FIVE... YES I SAID 5, are TRYING to sue Mr. Trump! Now some FACTS for you Factually Challenged People. Standford University, Washington University, Clemson University, Harvard University and Southern California University are sued an AVERAGE of 187 times EACH a YEAR (over the past 10 years from "Business Review Magazine")! By Students over UNHAPPINESS with the courses! Stop WASTING YOUR TIME WITH LIES, and making a FOOL OUT OF YOURSELF at the SAME TIME!
allench1
allench1 1
On point again Arthur.
chalet
chalet 3
It is abundantly clear that Trump is the epitomy of show off at the least posible cost, a cheapo. Now for all his bragadoccio that is fortune is worth 10 billion, Bloomberg and Forbes (the prublications, not the gentlemen who own them) peg it at less tan 3 billion. Still ad lot of dough but that says a lot about his character and his not being made of presidential material.
mcass777
mark cassidy cassidy 7
If he bought a plane new from Boeing, we would read articles about how stupid he is for buying a new plane when there are hundreds of planes stored in the desert that could be had for next to nothing.
dapkarian
dapkarian 3
Its called marketing and branding...love him or hate him he's excellent at it. You say cheapo I say smart with his money. So just because you have money you should spend it with little thought? Hey that sounds like the administration, both Rs and Ds, we have now! No thank you, give me a person who has Billions and still cares what he spends.
allench1
allench1 -1
jealous much!
chalet
chalet -1
Oh yeah
ArthurNetteler
Arthur Netteler -1
So, you are saying it is ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT Mr. Trump's NET-WORTH IS??? Does $3 Billion and not $10 Billion make him POOR in your eyes?
pilot62
Scott Campbell 2
I think it's clear who's pro Trump here
sparkie624
sparkie624 0
I freely admit that accusation! :) Hiding nothing here!
canuck44
canuck44 -1
Likewise the anti-Trumpers are out as well. Politics aside there are none here I imagine who if we had the bucks would not love to have Trump's 75. He is an absolute perfectionist on having it restored and maintained. Gives a lot of insight into the man. This is 45 minutes of indepth examination of how he runs it and how loyal his staff is, male and female:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF1JDNOLaYg
ArthurNetteler
Arthur Netteler -2
Well said!
There are so many on the LEFT around the World, that are scared to death of an HONEST USA President. They know that he will KILL THEIR FREE "USA LUNCH" in other COUNTRIES!!!
ArthurNetteler
Arthur Netteler -1
NOT REALLY... I AM PRO A STRONG AND EMPLOYED USA! No other POerson running has show that in their PAST PERFORMANCE!
carnutdallas
Rob Mays 2
Far from being objective or well written. Writer has almost zero knowledge of avaition and/or aircraft. Par for the course the days in journalism, the media and the interwebs. I hate when this site gets political. I guess the trolls live everywhere, sigh....
linbb
linbb 2
And your point is other than not liking him is?????????????????????
chiphermes
Chip Hermes -8
No problem, guess you didn't understand the article, so I'm happy to explain. It's a cheap facade that lacks foundation. Although the article is objective, perhaps it's suggesting that the candidate is the same.
ArthurNetteler
I notice in NONE of your "Articles" you have never written a "Hit Piece" on a Liberal. How many Boeing 757, Cessna 750 Aircraft & Helicopters DO YOU OWN? Mr. Trump has not used ONE CENT of USA TAXPAYER MONEY for any of his Aircraft's Purchase, Maintenance or Operation! Furthermore to try and insinuate that Mr. Trump is flying around in worn-out JUNK is not only IGNORANT, but STUPID. The FAA as well as Private Companies have adapted some of Mr. Trump's Maintenance Scheduling and Operations as the BASES for updates in Aircraft Review and Maintenance! Where is YOUR Article on the AGE of the Aircraft of United Airlines, Southwest, Philippine Airlines, FEDEX, UPS that are flying some of the OLDEST Aircraft in the Commercial World! There are MILLIONS of us "REGULAR CITIZENS" that have had ALL WE WANT of the kind of NONSENSE ATTACKS on another Citizen, merely because you do not agree with someone's Political or Financial Position!..STOP IT!
dan01ster
Dan Drimmie 1
For those readers who are making disparaging comments about this article and the author, you people have missed the whole point of the story...just learn to read...in this case the title "Donald Trump’s Aging Air Fleet Gives His Bid, and His Brand, a Lift" says it all. Try to stay focused.
I would also suggest to read some of the backstory provided by internal links in the article, including from the WSJ.
Trump is praying on those who are misinformed or too lazy to dig into facts and history.
Remember he is a showman in the best tradition of Barnem and Bailey....a snake charmer who counts on the uneducated. Let us not forget he has no stated, outlined foreign policy and his mismanagement of money (several companies gone bankrupt)is nearly legendary.
I do pity you Americans for having no viable choices in your upcoming election this year.
And yes I did stray from the 'aviation' side of this story, in the hopes that more people will come to realize the negative impact this candidate will have on 'the rest of the world'. We are truly scared out here.
allench1
allench1 1
Go America, don't remember any country saving our butt in WW2. So enlighten us.
allench1
allench1 0
Don't pity us, we always come through and more than likely we saved your countries but in WW2.
dan01ster
Dan Drimmie 1
...other way around pal, and don't forget who saved your butts in the Iran hostage situation.
allench1
allench1 -1
What country r u in
allench1
allench1 -1
Well!!!!
dan01ster
Dan Drimmie 0
Well what!...your lack of reading comprehension apparently goes all the way to being without resourcefulness. Just try to stay up here...and if it's not too much trouble for you, perhaps you could simply click on my name for your answer, rather than looking like the fool for your continuing pestering.
allench1
allench1 0
Now you call me a FOOL, shows me you are a adolescent to use such a word. Or maybe just a hater of our country. What aviation experience do, you have? Also why spew your political opinions when you do not reside here, Oh and if you do be thankful you are in such a wonderful country OR please feel free to go back home.
ArthurNetteler
Arthur Netteler -2
YEP... RONALD REAGAN!
ALL the Hostages were released with in 2 HOURS of Mr. Reagan being sworn in. That is because UNKNOWN OBVIOUSLY TO YOU. There was ALREADY AN ATTACK FORCE of 19 USA Aircraft in the AIR. As soon as the Iranians confirmed these Aircraft, they released the hostages to President Reagan!
dan01ster
Dan Drimmie 3
Your understanding (or rewriting your history books is truly pathetic). Apparently you forgot about the US embassy personnel hidden away in various safe houses and the Canadian Ambassador's residence, not to mention of US personnel smuggled out of Tehran on Air Canada flights using fake Canadian passports.
kw77
katty wompus 1
Reagan promised to trade weapons for the hostages. He was a traitor.
ArthurNetteler
Arthur Netteler -2
Our Election is NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS!
dan01ster
Dan Drimmie 3
A truly childish response, from someone who continues to fail to understand the impact that American politics has on the rest of the world, like it or not.
allench1
allench1 0
Well now! fail to understand the impact that American politics has on the rest of the world. so you are the keeper of all the world now. So we must be a Great America and Canada has always sat on the side lines for the most part throughout history and benefited by America, (I have known many and think highly of mos all Canadians) If not for our boys in WW2 you would be speaking in Hitler's German language along with us,(no reference to Germans as a people as they are very intelligent and global neighbors). so you might have been in his cabinet had you been in Germany during that time or killed because of your stupid comments, now your 15 min. are up. Still waiting for your aviation experience. Mine, I have been flying since 1959 at the age of 14. Do you know what an NDB approach is? Bye now, time for you to change your diapers and go homw....
tomtreutlein
tom treutlein 1
Woops. Thought this was flightaware. Got an MSNBC site.
layman85
layman85 0
“Buying a 25-year-old 757 is like buying a bag of Cheetos. It’s a lot of food for a low price,” he said.
dapkarian
dapkarian 3
Yes he did then followed it up with "It's a cheap facade that lacks foundation"....I guess the bag of Cheetos is his way of being "objective"....
damavab
Well said Arthur, unfortunately how many people will understand
tvieno
Tony Vienonen 0
“Buying a 25-year-old 757 is like buying a bag of Cheetos. It’s a lot of food for a low price." Love the analogy!
mizera
Sam Icera -4
His fleet is about to get better as he will use the presidential plane for the next eight years.
canuck44
canuck44 0
That may be a step down. Check the video I posted...exquisite.
ArthurNetteler
Arthur Netteler -1
The President is NOT REQUIRED TO USE the USA Supplied Aircraft! Any Aircraft he is on in "AirForce 1"! It is UP TO THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF what he flies in!
ArthurNetteler
Arthur Netteler -1
I find no other alternative but to leave "Flight Away" family. It is no longer a Group on Aviation. It is just as every other Public Group in the USA Today, a place that NUT CASES and those on the Left use to ATTACK ANYONE THAT THEY DISAGREE WITH! Nearly every Post the past 9 months has has SOME person belittling or outright ATTACKING on the of the USA Presidential Candidates. I have had enough of this CRAP! As one of the FEW people that are on this GROUP that ACTUALLY WAS A PILOT. I am sick and tired of having to spend HOURS every time I sign in trying to correct and stop LIARS! Enjoy the GROUP that you have CREATED! BYE!

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