Their combined ages are just 45. But that didn't stop 26-year-old captain Kate McWilliams and her 19-year-old co-pilot Luke Elsworth from flying hundreds of passengers to their destinations this week. (www.cnn.com) Daha Fazlası...
She has nowhere near enough experience to be a captain, No one would at that age. you need the ability to make Split Second decisions in the event of an emergency and be 100% sure of yourself. these skills come only with experience and years of it. not to take anything away from her accomplishment and becoming a captain I just don't think that 26 year old has the ability to command a commercial airliner especially a woman.
I think you should re-read your post, think about it and then come to the same conclusion that every educated man woman and child would conclude. Natural pilots, excellent descision makers, pilots who use common sense, don't panic, follow their training, pilots who actually logged the hours in their logbook, these are the best of the best male or female. AND, you do take something away from someone's accomplishment with your silly, immature and idiotic comments.
UK Aviation authority have similar standards and requirements as in the USA. If she meets the standards and the airline (who have a very good reputation) believes she is capable then promotion should be awarded as it was. The "especially a woman" comment is offensive and certainly old world (try 1930s). Go back to your cave.
So you are saying she lacks the 'right stuff'? Captain Lee Kang Kuk had 9,793 hours of flying experience when he hit the SSFO seawall with Asiana 214. I guess experience isn't necessarily everything. Nor gender.
This whole thread is full of discussion regarding the youthfulness of these pilots, lest none of you forget that WWII was fought and won by many pilots not even 20 years old. Some P51 pilots had only ONE Hour in type and a HIGH-time pilot had 30 hours.
How about John D. Landers who was commissioned a second lieutenant with 209 hours total flight time and finished the war at the age of TWENTY FOUR as a full colonel, commanding the 8th Air Force Group.
It's sad that people are so ignorant to facts yet post away based on their uninformed "feelings"!
Your OP is an apples-to-oranges comparison. If the peacetime pilot training attrition rate was anything similar to the wartime one, there might not be a commercial aviatin industry. Your personal attack in response detracts from the point you were trying to make.
I'm all for equal and young getting Invokved, but I wouldn't feel comfortable as a passenger. Only dye to lack of experience in both real and simulation
Nothing against a young pilot, male or female, but in today's planes with all the whizz bang tech they have, they just about fly themselves anyway. My worry would be what happens in an emergency when the tech fails and experience is needed, would hope at least the copilot would be an older pilot to back her up. Don't know bout everyone else here but at 26 I would be a little more panicky than I was at say at least 36+. Don't know how her credentials stack up but curious if she could fly an older plane without the tech?
Why is everyone hating on these two? Do you think air cadets train on A320's? Of course she knows how to fly a plane. One could even argue that kids now a days would be better equipped to fly glass cockpits that a 60 year old pilot is may not be used to digital information overload. I'm not saying that as a fact but simply putting it out there as a counter argument.
Personally, I think you have to take it on a case by case basis. There are plenty of older pilots who pound back a couple of scotches and go out an fly or are hung over etc. I want a pilot who is fresh and alert not jet lagged or bitching about their shifts, whether that be young or older.
How old do you think some of those pilots are flying the most advanced fighter jets or C5 or B1-2 are? Most of those guys retire with less than 3000 hours total time! Why should an airliner be different. Good for them!
Besides 'training' how about 'discipline'? What is the curriculum of discipline enforcement in the various 'Flight Schools for Airline Pilots' is another question.
Look at the Asiana crash in SFO. Highly experienced pilots couldn't do a raw data approach. Tons of experience and lots of training. But not enough I guess.
How much training did the crew need to perform a visual approach on a clear day to an 11,000 foot runway with ATC setting them up on a ten mile final? Yes, the glideslope was out, I forgot...
...and there are 36 year old FOs flying for the legacies and majors here in America that won't see Captain for another 10 years. And Airlines wonder why there's an impending pilot shortage on the horizon?
i might look twice at the infants in the cockpit, and wonder what this all means. They clearly got the tickets and the time, but not experience, but not to worry- they will get experience at the next five years worth of flights and passengers. When he can shave, perhaps he will know what he is doing. Their combined ages are 45, and their combined time is????? Whatever that number is, I would not be at ease with it. thanks easyjet for selling more train tickets for me in England.
Okay we were discussing this in the office yesterday. I noticed that the 19 year old only had 2 stripes on his epaulets. Also, ICAO and U.K. still require you to be at least 21 for ATPL, so...how on earth was that kid the "co pilot"? Do they have some sort of second officer program a la Cathay Pacific, and he did some enroute cockpit monitoring or something?
ATPL only reqired for PIC. Most FOs will have Commercial since the airline otherwise would have to pay for xtra simtime. 2 stripes reflects time in the company. Where I worked you got 2 stripes after 1 yr and 3 solid stripes after 10 yrs as FO.
that guy isn't the only one who "hates children". I hate em too - children grow up, want to eat food and drink water - too damn many of them on this planet already....!
26 isn't even close to being the younger commercial airline captain in the world. That said....most that are younger aren't flying a bus, but an RJ instead
What achievements are you referring to? One like "Sully" Sullenberger's, an'old' experienced aircraft driver with glider and F-4 Phantom II xx hours or the total lack of experience and achievements as 'younger' crew of the Air France Flight 447 had? After traveling on commercial airliners 2++ million miles over the past 50 years, I still prefer some 'gray haired' crew up front in control of my destiny.
I cant recall how or why the term "Esq" got on my name in here. Sorry it bothers people. I'd take it off if I knew how. When I was a kid, my buddies were all going into military aviation and/or the airlines. Couldn't do that ( legally blind ! - had to take a special "medical check ride" to drive airplanes around at night...!) Wanted to go to medical school - but not smart enough to pass the exams. By then, had my fill at working for a living ( truck mechanic during college )......so - eat your hearts out...I found a job where I didn't have to get my hands greasy, and had staff who wore mini-dresses....
Mr Hartman you posted in August and I Quote - Just for your info., I can trace my ancestry directly to the ancient ORDER OF THE RITTER BLAU ( German warrior knights ). So in that way, also, I am entitled to use the term "Esquire". In this post you indicate you are legally blind. If so how do you have over 45 years of flying experience and own an aircraft which you informed me of in an earlier post?
The "class" that you are referring to (worldwide airline Captains) is mainly made up a members that that were hired pre-1995. A more informative statistic would be the percent of women in current new hire classes at the regionals which is the primary source of most new hires at the majors. I'm sure it is less than the approximately 50% of the general population.
To increase the number of women hired, women first need to be attracted to learning to fly and acquiring the requisite experience to move on to an airline career. That is a tough sell, we read about the difficulty of regional airlines finding enough qualified candidates, male or female, to fill classes.
If you like to read, check out Malcolm Gladwell's books. The 10,000 hours number comes from studying some very successful people(Outliers). It takes more than ability to get good.
If you read the book, 10,000 hours is not to be good. 10,000 hours are required to be experts in your field. These are the outliers that outperform everyone else. I don't think anyone expects that a couple of "kids" are going to be or even need to outperform their aviation colleagues at this point.
Paul....please understand I am not being confrontational. My point is Galdwell's 10,000 hour rule says "Key to achieving world-class expertise in any skill.", not achieving good. Many multi-year and thousands plus hour pilots would not put themselves in the class of the Chuck Yeagers of the world but are still proficient,capable,safe and very good pilots.
That's Captains not female pilots.....there are a lot more female pilots then 450. And it isn't the pilot group or airlines that are causing the shortage. It could come down to the personal choice of persons career choice. There are a ton of women pilots, (and Captains) in the Corporate world as well as the Military. \
The problem is, most police are terrible at their collective jobs, let alone cops that are in actuality still going through puberty. With age comes more rational thought...
Ahh ...I respectfully disagree. Hiring young people has its benefits. Foremost is younger hires have no bad habits. The senior officers can teach them the correct way to do the job. The more time the new officers spend on the street makes them better officers by gaining experience. I think pilots are in the same vein. Start them young. Get them into the sky. Get them as many hours as possible.
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