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FAA Urges Maintenance Of Manual Flight Skills

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Autopilots and autothrottles commonly used on modern aircraft are useful tools may have already led to degraded piloting skills, according to the FAA, which earlier this month released a safety alert to encourage manual flight operations. In a Safety Alert for Operators (SAFO) the FAA said flight operations data has identified "an increase in manual handling errors." And, says the FAA, continuous use of automated systems "could lead to degradation of the pilot's ability to… (www.avweb.com) Daha Fazlası...

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AccessAir
AccessAir 4
We rely upon too much automation for everything, from passenger check in online or at the airport kiosks to how the pilots fly the planes...interesting!!
Papagiorgio
George Nacino 5
The pilots of yesteryear are a different breed then the crop of todays fliers. If you had a chance to listen to the ATC audio tapes of the United DC10 crash in Sioux City, Captain Hayes was handling a near certain disaster with the calmness of a person about to do a normal landing without any hydralics! The pilots of today are type certified in simmulators. Granted the simulators are excellant, but with todays automated systems, pilots relie too much on them. That was perhaps the cause of the Air France loss of the Airbus near South America.
preacher1
preacher1 2
They will have to beat the airlines over the head with this one as most of their procedures are set down in writing for the Pilots to follow, most in the name of saving fuel, and that is how airframers and engine people are selling them too.AND, a pilot must follow these bean counters directives if they like their job. Personally, I always liked, and still do, getting of the ground and some working altitude in case something went sour.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
I commented a couple of months ago about current generation vs. pilots from within the past 20 years and got shot down. Change is good, but today's pilots changes are headed for a great part, in the wrong direction...
evbutler
Ev Butler 6
The 707 (C-135) was a thrill to drive. No automation at all except altitude hold. When the fuel burned and the plane got lighter, shock waves on the wings would alert you to pull back on the throttles. Back in the late 1950s, early 60s, you had to fly the plane. No GPS, no LORAN, nothing to guide you over water except a periscope sextant, if your navigator was good enough. It is so unbelievable how easy it is to get type rated today in a modern multi-engine crate.
preacher1
preacher1 2
I really didn't get into one as a no nothing FE until about 73 and it was the civilian version but there wasn't a lot of difference than what you say. Eventually worked my way to left seat after paying dues for several years and then went from it into a 757. The difference was like daylight and dark.
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 1
Reading Ernest Gann's Fate is the Hunter now....mind blowing
btweston
btweston 1
Pfft. You had planes?
gboroflyer
gboroflyer 2
Colgan Air 3407 was another example of pilot making a bad 1st move after the auto-pilot was disengaged. (Pulling up and increasing flaps)

Instead of dramitically increasing the hour needed for airline pilots, what the goverment should be doing is working with airlines to increase hand flying parts of flights on a regular bassis.
preacher1
preacher1 1
It would make a lot more sense than just arbitrarily throwing out a requirement for 1500 hours.
ToddBaldwin3
ToddBaldwin3 2
Wasn't this very issued raised as a result of the Air France 447 crash?
rickraphael
Rick Raphael 1
I'm wondering how many pilots have read the full AF 447 report? It is a chilling document. As I recall, one of the primary conclusion was that the pilots had limited training and experience flying the Airbus at cruising altitude.
ToddBaldwin3
ToddBaldwin3 1
I read the full report. Chilling is the right word. One thing that stood out in the report was the flight crews lack of training and experience in flying the A/C with hampered computer systems. They literally flew into a stall thinking the Airbus couldn't stall, because the computer wouldn't let it.
levyharaivan
Ivan Levy-Hara 2
As a student pilot getting my license on Monday this may mean nothing to any of you.

I've read a couple of comments and they are ALL negative. Has anyone though of all the accidents that have been avoided thanks to these automated systems you all seem to hate? Has anyone thought of the decrease of paychecks that pilots are receiving. Yes people make mistakes, computers make worse mistakes sometimes, and pilots do need more practice in manual flying, but for g-ds sake, don't take it all out on the pilots.

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THRUSTT
THRUSTT 5
Not just any Learjet Phil, 20 and 30 series...
preacher1
preacher1 2
You reckon the FAA started readin FA and listening to some of us old goats or reckon they just had one of them brilliant revelations.lol

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preacher1
preacher1 1
You may not be old but you ain't no spring chicken talkin' bout them.LOL
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 1
....good one!
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Well since I'm still in my infancy, I'll say they read your post...
preacher1
preacher1 1
cdierking44
Chris Dierking 1
I'm currently FO on a Lear 35A. My first jet but this airplane makes you learn how to fly. It does have an autopilot but with limited functions. I'm hoping to get as much hand flying experience on it as I can.
DAPRON
DAPRON 1
Not just any series 20 or 30 Only the early model 20 series with the single speed trim. After the AD came out mandating dual speed trim mode, they became much more docile and easy to fly.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Probably gotta throw the Hansa Jet in there too...
Hueyp
Michael Neilan 1
Thank you Phil. I thought I did a pretty good job as an Army Aviator and an Air Force Pilot. I enjoyed flying the King Air 90 & 200. I really love the LearJet 24 because it is like flying the T-38(No Auto Pilot). I would make the co pilots hand fly the Lear 24 at FL450(Yes prior to RVSM rules) and during instrument app. Also, I have done some jump seat time before 9-11 and those pilots did a really great job of Hand Flying the B737s. We can fix this problem.
DAPRON
DAPRON 1
Not just any 20 or 30 series. Just the early model 20's with the single speed trim. After the AD mandating the dual speed trim, they became more docile.
FedExCargoPilot
bring the evidence backing up the outlandish statements
preacher1
preacher1 2
He can speak for himself but I figure he is speaking from personal experience, and I could add to that but I'll be nice tonite.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Phil makes some brash statements, but he's right on that one!!! How's things at FedEx?
preacher1
preacher1 0
He ain't FedEx. He's Private. Read his profile.
jshanaberg
jshanaberg 1
I'm handflying the Dash 8 for my airline all the time!
ChayD
Chay Donohoe 1
I feel that all ATPs should spend at least one week a year flying ultralights, other than sailplanes and powered hang gliders, you don't get simpler. They're a challenge and a delight to fly, real seat-of-the-pants stuff.

sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I have been saying this for a very long time. Pilots are forced to depend on it more and more.
genethemarine
Gene spanos 1
Air safety !!!!
Needs to be your priority !
Thank you FAA/CDA/ONCC.
403331
James Brown 1
Ever hear of needle ball airspeed? Partial panel? Sheesh!
JD345
JD345 1
Anti-lock brakes and traction control have done this for cars. What started as an aid to pumping the brakes and modulating the throttle turned into a substitute for pumping the brakes and modulating the throttle. Now drivers just mash on the gas and mash on the brakes with little thought at all, and they come to rely on the system and would have difficulty driving the car safely without them.

It certainly would seem that the automated systems in today's cockpits can have a similar effect.
tbpera
Tom Pera 1
give me an old military pilot anytime! or, a younger pilot with solid military experience... some one who remembers HOW TO FLY THE DAMN AIRPLANE! just looked at the Lufthansa A380 video of the fat guy reaching out to readjust this knob and that... while the airplane landed itself... not good! especially when these guys get hours and hours of flying (cruising, really) with few takeoffs and landings.... too few Hayes and Sullys left....
preacher1
preacher1 4
Tom: you are so correct it ain't funny. I saw the advances all the way out of of a 707 thru the 767 and now doing part time on a CRJ for my old employer. Some things make it nice but even though the features are there, that was a nice part about 135 big iron, we could pretty much fly it like we felt it. I personally like to fly one out and in and save all that automated stuff for that in between time on top. That's where the cruise time needs to happen but not going out or coming in. I have had a panel go completly out and dark at about 12k before on final. That is it's way of saying "YOUR AIRCRAFT" and when it does, you had better know what to do with it or you might be a statistic. Turned out to be no more than a CB but it happened. More than likely, if one of our button pushers had been at the controls of that DC10 instead of Hayes, the outcome would have been different, and not in a good way.

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preacher1
preacher1 1
I flew that 757 for about 20 years and we had 3 major avionics upgrades on it during that time. Every time we had one there was a new ding ding or 3 that would drive you up a tree til you got used to i. A warning would have been one thing but various things just telling you something was on or armed.lol

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