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Worker trapped in cargo hold on Alaska flight
An Alaska Airlines flight was forced to return to Seattle after a worker was trapped in the cargo hold. (jansaviation.com) Daha Fazlası...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
Problem is, if a ramper (baggage handler) doesn't do his job, people could get killed. Unlike other jobs, where safety is not so important..."sorry I got your burger order wrong"
I am not sure that I agree here... The bags are stored in the bin that is calculated by someone else and usually by computer... The Bag snasger/ramper simply stores them on the plane. As long as they do not damage something that is airworthy in nature, IE Cargo Door itself and not tell anyone then three is not much else they can do that affects safety. Many times it is a different crew that pushes back, and unless they push into another plan (and that has happened, or like one that I witnessed the ramper parking the plane directed the main gear over the fueling cover and it broke through and the wing almost touched the ground.... Good reason to leave you seat belt buckled until the plane is stopped.
Sparkie: I'm speaking from experience. I worked on the ramp for 15 years. Granted, the least of many duties is loading/unloading bags, but there is always the chance of causing damage while doing this. Cargo, mail, and other materials are transported besides bags. Try manuevering a 600 lb piece of equipment on a pallet that just barely cleares the doorway in Jan with vertical snow blowing in your face! You have no idea of what a ramper does. Try manuevering a belt loader up to the plane in the previous conditions on glare ice!
The load is made up by the load planner - what if an irresponsible baggage handler deviates from that and the load is off balance?
What if the ramper causes damage while unloading and he doesn't report it, or its not detected? You don't want to be on a plane whose cargo door Isn't completely closed and locked.
I don't know how other ramp crews operate, but the crew pushing the plane is the same one that loaded it, unless that crew had a change in assignments.
My point here is: you can not comprehend what responsibilities the ramp personnel have and are carrying out during a turn by looking out the a/c window, or even observing while at the gate.
Unfortunately, the "baggage handler" moniker is grossly misunderstood by the general public.
It takes a competent, knowledgeable, hard working individual to be a good ramper. Seems like all this guy with AA is concerned with is his paycheck.
The load is made up by the load planner - what if an irresponsible baggage handler deviates from that and the load is off balance?
What if the ramper causes damage while unloading and he doesn't report it, or its not detected? You don't want to be on a plane whose cargo door Isn't completely closed and locked.
I don't know how other ramp crews operate, but the crew pushing the plane is the same one that loaded it, unless that crew had a change in assignments.
My point here is: you can not comprehend what responsibilities the ramp personnel have and are carrying out during a turn by looking out the a/c window, or even observing while at the gate.
Unfortunately, the "baggage handler" moniker is grossly misunderstood by the general public.
It takes a competent, knowledgeable, hard working individual to be a good ramper. Seems like all this guy with AA is concerned with is his paycheck.
Thank you Sparkie. I have 24 years as a station agent and supervisor on the ramp. We are called ramp rats, bag smashers and all sorts of things. In reality we were directly responsible for the safety of these aircraft, their load plans and our personnel while they are on the ground.As a mainline Employee we had recurrent training and a pride in aircraft familiarization few could match. Few people outside of our industry and some in gave us the respect we deserved. Now we have a new breed, born from out sourcing. Farming out the work to the cheapest bidder supplying body's to "handle" baggage has opened it all up to equipment damage, pilferage, personnel injuries and dangerously indifferent attitudes. These people have no pride in their job or even a professional appearance. It drives me mad to look out the window and see what appears to be the Crips and Bloods butts hanging out while they littering the neighborhood with bags. End Rant.
Now, you're talking about someone such as a ramp agent who is responsible for considerably more than just loading bags. You even reference the "irresponsible baggage handler" which is the same type I've been referring to if they are barely capable of doing such a simple task.
The analogy would be the store manager at McDonald's who is responsible for everyone and everything from employees to supply to payroll and other expenses, etc.
The analogy would be the store manager at McDonald's who is responsible for everyone and everything from employees to supply to payroll and other expenses, etc.
I got to agree there. The ramp agent is pretty much in charge of all that goes on on the ground.
Ken, on another note: Did they close Randolph AFP down there by San Antonio?
Ken, on another note: Did they close Randolph AFP down there by San Antonio?
Yep, it's still there. They now call all three (Randolph, Lackland & Fort Sam Houston), "Joint Base San Antonio". Never mind all three are a good distance apart.
Does it have it's own ICAO code? I was looking here on FA and all I saw was Lackland taking over Kelly.
KRND
10-4, tks
What town or suburb does it show up in? I can't find anything on it browsing in FA's new sooper doper airport guide. It says University City but nothing listed in the guide for that. It definitely comes up under the code but nothing in the guide to browse and find.
FA's list for San Antonio had KRND and KSKF (Lackland- Kelly Field Annex). Ft Sam doesn't show up.
I just missed it I guess. I saw that Ft Sam didn't show, tks, Wayne
Well, I hate to sound like a broke record but I just went back and looked. My list shows 9 airports for San Antonio and KRND ain't there. I'll contact support after while.
This shows the AFBs. Sam Houston is about halfway between them or about 160º from KSAT.
http://skyvector.com/?ll=29.453913239504853,-98.40088524271016&chart=32&zoom=1&plan=A.K4.KRND:A.K4.KSKF
http://skyvector.com/?ll=29.453913239504853,-98.40088524271016&chart=32&zoom=1&plan=A.K4.KRND:A.K4.KSKF
Thanks
Tks, yeah, I know where they all at, having spent some time down there in years past. I'm just to lazy to dig my flight bag out of the closet or unplug my tablet to call it up. LOL. I guess they just missed it on th browse list. I was just curious, it setting out there all by it's lonesome if it was under another town listing since the code brings it up fine